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Rall

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# Zasláno: 24 Kvě 2006 15:31:34


Teď mi přišla reklama z ronnieho (viz. http://obchod.ronnie.cz/s-531-creatine-ethyl-ester.html), myslíte, že to může bejt účinný nebo je to jen další reklamní blábol?

Hewlet

Člen

# Zasláno: 24 Kvě 2006 15:43:18


Rall
Taky me to prislo a dokonce 4x.

suplement, který je absolutní jedničkou pro podporu nárůstu svalové hmoty - nevim nevim, tahle veta me pripada jako reklamni blabol, ktere se takovy pitomec jako je Macko hnedka chytne.
Neco na tom ale mozna bude, asi je treba prakticka zkusenost.

Martin

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# Zasláno: 24 Kvě 2006 16:16:49


What is it and where does it come from?

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. Esters are organic compounds that are formed by esterification - the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohols.


What does it do and what scientific studies give evidence to support this?
Regular creatine monohydrate has been shown effective at increasing lean muscle mass1,2,3,4, muscle strength5,6 and athletic performance.7,8

However, regular creatine monohydrate is absorbed poorly by the body - and its effectiveness is dependant upon the cells ability to absorb it. The poor absorption rate of regular creatine monohydrate requires the creatine user to ingest large dosages of creatine to achieve desired effect.

Because creatine draws water to the cell, and because most ingested creatine monohydrate is not absorbed, unabsorbed creatine will sit outside of the target cell with the water, and this will result in the "creatine bloat."

Long-term clinical studies have proven that creatine monohydrate is safe for use by persons free of medical complication9, but why would you want to ingest more creatine monohydrate than you have to simply because your creatine is inefficient?

Creatine ethyl ester is creatine monohydrate with an ester attached. The attachment of an ester is significant, because esters are found in the fat tissue of animals. But, why is this important? What role does this have in the absorption of creatine?

All substances that you put into your body will affect its operation. There are three ways that substances can affect a cells operation. They are:

Ligand binding to protein receptor sites.
Secondary messenger / metabotropic systems
Passive permeation of the cell wall via lipids
When a substance enters the body and affects the bodies operation, it is known as a ligand. The soma and dendrites of the cell have protein receptor sites to which ligands can bind. The process of a ligand binding with a receptor site is akin to a lock and key: only keys of a certain shape work with certain locks. When they work and cause the cells stimulation they are called agonists. When they block the cell from functioning they are called antagonists.

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When a ligand binds with the receptor site of a target cell, the cell, in the simplest of cases, changes its shape, opens up its ion channels and changes its function. In so-called "secondary messenger" or metabotropic cells, the ligand binds with the receptor site and an internal protein known as a g-protein is released. This released protein then binds to an internal site inside of the cell, and then the cell changes its behavior by opening its ion channels. Cells that operate in this way are known as metabotropic cells because their operation requires metabolic energy.

Passive permeation is a process that describes the diffusion of a substance across a cell membrane through the use of lipids as transport mechanisms. Because no "work" is being done by the cell in this model, this model is called passive permeation.

Creatine monohydrate utilizes lipids to permeate the cell wall and enter the cell. Because of this, the esterification of creatine, and the presence of esters in animal fat tissue, becomes significant.

Creatine monohydrate is semi-lipopholic. This means that it inefficiently uses fat as a transport mechanism. The esterification of substances will increase their lipopholic abilities, and thus esterified creatine will use fat more efficiently to permeate the cell wall and exert its effects upon cellular function than its unesterified creatine monohydrate counterpart.

This means, simply, that not only will dosage requirements be lower, but the absorption of esterified creatine will be increased and the infamous "creatine bloat" will be eliminated!


Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?
Creatine Ethyl Ester can benefit persons of all ages, as it displays the same benefits as regular creatine monohydrate. Many multiple sclerosis patients are classified as creatine non-responders, but with the improved absorption seen with CEE this may not be the case.


Is Creatine Ethyl Ester real?
Much controversy has been generated over creatine ethyl ester. Companies and individuals with a financial interest in promoting creatine monohydrate products have attempted to discredit creatine ethyl ester. Some companies have even gone so far as to commission laboratory reports that show that creatine ethyl ester is not real.

Included with this page is one such report, and also included are two COA's - certificates of analysis - proving that creatine ethyl ester is real. These are included so that you, the consumer, can make up your own mind - so that you can base your choices upon the power of information.

The one report that states that creatine ethyl ester is fake was commissioned by an industry company with an interest in discrediting creatine ethyl ester. The two certificates of analysis included show that CEE is real and was done on raw source product and conducted by people with no financial interest in the promotion of creatine ethyl ester.

The esterification of creatine is chemically possible and not hard to conceive. Those who claim that CEE is fake are denying obvious science and are cheating the consumer.

Martin

Administrátor

# Zasláno: 24 Kvě 2006 16:18:20


Celý článek i s odkazem na jednu studii, že je to nesmysl (platila konkurence) a dvě studie, že to funguje (platil výrobce)
ja zde http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cee.html

Osobně si po přečteni myslím, že to asi o moc účinnější nebude jestli výtobce doporučuje 3g a u klasického creatinu 5g ...

Martin

Administrátor

# Zasláno: 24 Kvě 2006 16:24:59


240kps po 750mg je 180g za 1450,- Kč. Za 1450,- Kč máš u mě 2,9 pixli micronizovaného creatinu po 900g tedy celkem 2615g creatinu. Snadno tedy můžeš brát místo 3g Creatinu ethyl esteru 43,6g creatinu monohydrate

Osobně bych, ale právě pro lepší průchod do buňky doporučil kombinaci s cca 2-3g taurinu, ten taky zlepšuje průchodnost a vnímavost buněk a to nejen na creatin, ale i na cukr a další látky

Takže když koupíš 900g creatinu (180 dávek 499,-) a 200kps (100g 50-33 dávek za 254,-) tak to máš na dýl a za méně peněz.

Martin

Administrátor

# Zasláno: 24 Kvě 2006 16:25:35 ° Změnil/a: Martin


osobně nechávám tyhle novinky vyzkoušet bláznama co musí mít všechno hned - stejně mi nikam neutečou

Maxim

Člen

# Zasláno: 25 Kvě 2006 08:14:22


Mnoo...Nez to hromadne odsoudite, doporucuju vyzkouset...

Martin

Administrátor

# Zasláno: 26 Kvě 2006 14:34:18


Maxim
jasně vyzkoušet třeba
... jen nemám rád ty reklamní bláboly typu 40x účinnější to bych musel buď dávkovat 5/40=0,125g v jedne dávce anebo bych místo 1-2kg svalů musel přibrat 40-80kg svalů A on creatin už je tak moc účinný doplněk

Rall

Moderátor

# Zasláno: 28 Kvě 2006 11:51:01


Martin
Tak napíšem mackovi, ať to vyzkouší a pak ať dá vědět

chmatos1

Člen

# Zasláno: 9 Lis 2006 13:52:44


Tak tenhle kreatin sem žral já i kámoš. Schodli sme se že nám stoupla síla, ale přírůstky svalů nic moc. Na kámoše víc zabral obyčejnej kreatin od weidera.

Martin

Administrátor

# Zasláno: 9 Lis 2006 17:47:59


chmatos1
j radši beru micronizovaný kreatin vitalmaxu za tu cenu ho pak můžu brát mraky

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